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Poster: jerlouvis Date: Mar 4, 2013 10:18pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Hendrix & horns

Thanks for posting these links LIA,I appreciate it and found it eye opening and very interesting.The 19 minute jam with Chris Wood was a fun listen in spite of Woods mediocrity, and even with only a small sampling in a loose jam style piece it shows that Jimi was aware of what his free jazz guitar counterparts were up to and it seems he would have been able to hold his own in that genre.

The 12 bar with horns was a more riffy blues and he had a cool,crisp tone and interacted with the trumpet nicely.

However the true eye openers were the two Tinker Street jams,it is the most interesting Jimi I've heard and only makes me wonder what kind of music he would have made had he lived and pursued this type of sound.The first jam has a My Favorite Things feel,it sort of puts me in mind of the great Art Ensemble of Chicago a landmark free jazz group.He rifles through a number of different sounds and styles and his playing is just vibrant and full of life.Both pieces were just a pleasure to listen to,I listened twice.

You might find a similarity with this group and the Tinker Street jam.

I know you are big sax enthusiast Lia,but you might enjoy David Murray and the World Sax Quartet's take on If Six Was Nine.They did a full Hendrix tribute album and tour and I found the shows exhilarating.

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Poster: light into ashes Date: Mar 5, 2013 2:44am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Hendrix & horns

I also thought the Tinker Street show was a glimpse at a lost Jimi - especially coming just before the Woodstock show - but it was just a one-time thing.

I am not a sax enthusiast really...though the Sax Quartet's take on Hendrix is certainly different than the usual guitar covers.
I'm not even a big fan of that long jam w/ Chris Wood, as it seems like Hendrix is held back to mostly doing simple rhythm patterns through it. I like the long half-hour jam w/ Traffic on piano & flute much more; it's not anything groundbreaking but it's such a different setting than Hendrix was usually in. (One excerpt - )

I found the piano/trumpet instrumental, listed under the wrong title - nothing major, just an interesting curiosity:

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Poster: jerlouvis Date: Mar 5, 2013 8:58am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Hendrix & horns

In that portion of the jam with Traffic it seems more of an ensemble effort and doesn't feel like Jimi is holding back.

It's funny you linked Bolero because in that long jam with Chris Wood in the first few minutes there is a section that seems classical influenced with a sort of Bolero feel.

I left out the words "not a" before big sax enthusiast,thus "but you might enjoy",I figured even if you didn't care for the horns the ripping bass line might catch your ear.

It is a shame that there isn't more music in line with those Tinker Street shows,that is what I had in mind when I said I would like to hear Jimi in a jazz setting with horns,not some lame r+b honkers.I have read many times that late in his career he was hanging with Miles and leaning in a new direction,playing with horn players and expanding from his traditional blues rock thing,and that is the only evidence I've heard and it held such great promise.

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Poster: light into ashes Date: Mar 5, 2013 12:43pm
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This was Hendrix's actual "Bolero" - unfortunately recorded in his last months in 1970 so it's just an unfinished rhythm track w/o lead guitar or melody...

Hendrix did run through related patterns now & then, for instance in that jam w/ Chris Wood, or the improvisation at Woodstock (one of his finest live moments), or here:

Another excerpt from the jam w/ Traffic, starting in kind of a Rainy Day mode -

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Poster: jerlouvis Date: Mar 5, 2013 8:43pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Hendrix & horns

Considering Bolero is an unfinished rhythm track there is a lot going on and it was a cool listen,I think I even heard some Were an American band licks and that didn't come out until 2-3 years later.

The second link was mournful and pretty with some Little Wing and Have You Ever Been licks,both of which have beautiful melodies and elegant vocals,and he manages to work in that strong strum Bolero vibe.

The third link,the Jimi Hendrix guitar thing opens up and at about 43 seconds what sounds like some Tighten Up licks fold into some flamenco strums into the Bolero jam again which contains some Rainy Day and Crosstown Traffic licks that run into at 2:30 a Watchtower jam with hints of For What It's Worth which work there way into a few different riffy jams.

The last link gets interesting at about 6 minutes when Winwood pounds out some stride piano lines and Chris Wood steps in with some nice swirling flute under which Jimi kicks in some sweet biting guitar runs and they jam on that for a bit.

I always felt he was held back by his band mates lack of talent and to get to hear him play with some top notch cats even in a loose jam situations is cool.I can only imagine what kind of music he would have created with someone like Jack Bruce or Charlie Watts in his band.

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Poster: light into ashes Date: Mar 5, 2013 10:54pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Hendrix & horns

It was tricky finding youtube links with similar progressions - often in live shows Hendrix would go off into flamenco patterns, which became the intro to Hey Baby in 1970 shows.

Those two solo-guitar links were both excerpts from longer pieces - the first one was the end of a 13-minute medley (and suffers from being heard out of context), and the second was part of a half-hour improv session w/ Buddy Miles, in which Hendrix runs through one theme & riff after another.
This is another laid-back excerpt from that:
(Unfortunately, the Villanova Junction theme is done in an annoying way.)

Hendrix did a surprising number of jams with flute players. Unfortunately, the Are You Experienced he did at Winterland with a flute player isn't on youtube...but here's Room Full of Mirrors from the Royal Albert Hall '69, with Dave Mason on 2nd guitar & Chris Wood on flute after 5:30:

Hendrix did a studio jam session with Jack Bruce in October '68; there's about an hour on bootleg. I haven't heard it in a long time, but I remember it being very dull, a real slog to listen through. (A couple short excerpts on youtube are even worse than I remember.) Unfortunately, inspiration didn't strike on that day!
Hendrix jammed with Jack Casady a few times too, but mostly just on basic blues like Voodoo Chile & Killing Floor.

Jack Bruce has said that he & Tony Williams wanted to form a band with Hendrix (kind of a substitute Lifetime). I wonder if Hendrix would have thrived in that setting as much as McLaughlin did - Hendrix was so much more into rock & blues playing than jazz. Most of Hendrix's jams with other players steer a straight line into heavy rock. Heck, Garcia was more comfortable playing with jazz guys than Hendrix. (That's an unfair comparison though, since Hendrix's progression got cut off in 1970, and I think he would have branched out more with other players over time; he was indisputably planning to record with Miles Davis & Gil Evans in Sept '70.)

When Hendrix jammed with McLaughlin, JM mostly took a back seat (plus he had a malfunctioning guitar), and the results were very loose, straightforward but high-spirited rock: (an excerpt; the next part turns into a straight boogie)

Hendrix also jammed with Larry Young (Lifetime organist) - one of those jams is well-known since it's been released:

This is the start of another jam w/ Young that I like more, which is basically just a fuzz-guitar drone. I admit to being quite fond of this; the beginning in particular I could play endlessly.

Hendrix with McLaughlin or Young isn't much like Lifetime... (a spooky piece from 1970) (Emergency, live 1969)
(Youtube also has a series of clips from that Nov '69 New York show.)

Hendrix found a good partner in Mitch Mitchell; perhaps not so much in Buddy Miles, though Miles could add a strong kick (like in Machine Gun) that the lighter Mitchell couldn't. Hendrix's choice of bass players was diabolical, though, determined more by circumstances than by musical skill - I think he preferred a simple, limited bass backing.
To some extent I think he held himself back, not just by his bandmates but also by his insistence on playing "the hits" at every show, so all kinds of songs, studio experiments & playing styles never got touched onstage. His range was wider than what he chose to show audiences.

Lastly, this is a slow blues track Hendrix did with the Buddy Miles Express:
Nothing groundbreaking, just another example of Hendrix in a band w/ horns, in a straight blues context. The second half is more interesting.

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Poster: jerlouvis Date: Mar 6, 2013 10:53am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Hendrix & horns

Thanks once again for taking the time to dig up and post these links enrolling me in Hendrix University so to speak.

Like you stated at the end of your post I feel he limited himself in quite a few ways,band mates,choice of material and style of music he played, feeling the need to play the show biz angle with playing behind back/with teeth and playing the hits type of stuff,but then again I don't have an in depth knowledge of his catalog or personality.

As for the links you posted I really like some of the live versions of Villanova Junction that I've heard,but the one here is kind of harsh.

The Roomful of Mirrors picks up steam at about 3:00 with some strong,droning leads,both guitars sound good with a spacey and dark feel then the flute kicks in and kind of squashes the jam,it ends with a quick Star Spangled Banner jam.

I liked some of the McLaughlin jam,at some points the guitars create a nice blend and they go through a variety of styles and sounds,at about 8:30 McLaughlin even hints at Coltrane's A Love Supreme.In the credits on You Tube it lists three drummers and no bass,one of the drummers is Dave Holland who is actually a legendary jazz bassist and I'm assuming he is the bass player,especially since there is some excellent bass on the track,but it sounds like an electric bass and I don't think I have ever heard him play one and I also have never heard of him straying from the jazz world.

The first Young/Hendrix piece features some good interacting,but suffers from a dull rhythm section although Jimi wails a bit towards the end.

The fuzzy guitar jam that you are partial to does have a cool beginning,it has an Indian/Beatle-ish sound and he plays some nice repetitive runs and pretty, stacked groups of notes,it is unusual and that slides into a more rocky,slashing fuzz drenched jam with Young providing a nice organ bed throughout,that transforms into a driving,whining,feed back like groove with guitar and organ blended together,the music slides into a riffy lead with soft organ underneath, Jimi runs out some Stone Free like staccato licks and slicing guitar with cool organ into a buzzing jam with some good throbbing bass that leads to a nice end jam.I liked this also it had some different and interesting stuff go on.

I have to admit I never cared much for Tony Williams or most of those guys that come from Miles camp so I am unimpressed with Lifetime's work and the Buddy Miles stuff is how you called it,but it was crisp and well done.

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Poster: light into ashes Date: Mar 6, 2013 2:49pm
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I also think the Villanova Junction at Woodstock is better than any of the studio versions; Hendrix didn't seem to realize when he'd gotten it right.
But actually the Woodstock show, playing-wise (the rest of the band aside) was as good as he ever got; I've rarely heard him so concentrated & focused at a show, though the Berkeley '70 first show is up there.

I also wish there had been more of a jam with Dave Mason in that Roomful of Mirrors, there was a lot of potential there. It was exceedingly rare for there to be a 2nd guitarist performing Hendrix's material at his shows; other than the unfortunate Larry Lee at Woodstock I don't remember any other examples.

Apparently Dave Holland is supposed to be on bass in that McLaughlin jam (not drums!), and Buddy Miles was the solo drummer.
This page gathers some info on that date: - according to McLaughlin, Dave Holland was there, Mitch Mitchell wasn't.
Actually, Holland did start playing electric bass in '69 at Miles Davis' shows, and he still plays it now & then, though he's more of an upright-bass player. So the more unusual thing is that he's playing in a rock format here.

(On another jam done the same day, Jim McCarty played 2nd guitar and Roland Robinson played bass; that was later released as "Jimi/Jimmy Jam," which is on youtube along with several other excerpts of jams w/ various players which were collected on the "Nine to the Universe" album - Drone Blues, Easy Blues, Young/Hendrix. They're mainly for the hardcore Hendrix fan, though.)

While I lament that Hendrix too often chose to play "the hits," he saw it differently - he always complained that it was the audience who kept demanding to hear them. But at Woodstock, or the Band of Gypsies shows, he proved he could play shows of almost all-new material when he chose. But he felt limited by the expectations of others.
It's a frequent argument that his reliance on showbiz gimmicks like playing w/ teeth was a drawback. I'm not so unhappy about that; clearly to him, the visual presentation was as important as the music, or rather they went hand-in-hand, and the Hendrix "persona" involves more than just the notes.

It's also noticeable to me that, playing-wise, Hendrix often preferred a really "wobbly" sound to the guitar - piling on the wah-wah, tremolo bar, feedback, Univibe (or phasing in the studio), etc, so that the actual notes often get submerged under a wave of sound.
So I think his importance lies as much in his overall musical vision as in, strictly speaking, his guitar skills.
I can hear that McLaughlin is a better guitarist, and yet to me Hendrix is inspirational & fires the imagination, while McLaughlin is more like an intellectual exercise. It's hard for me to pin down just why that is, other than my own tastes & Hendrix's songwriting skills.
McLaughlin himself said, "Jimi was a beautiful guitar player. He wasn't very schooled; he had a limited knowledge as far as musical harmony is concerned. But he had such an imagination that he made up for it."

But in general, a lack of discipline really undermined him. Eric Clapton has mentioned that, as he saw it, Jimi treated his gift casually, almost tossing it away in favor of constant partying & not practicing enough. On top of that, someone like Garcia was surrounded by musicians who supported him & worked to further his music - while Jimi was surrounded by, as Garcia put it, "vampires," and very few people who were actually of any musical help to him.

Anyway, as a "Hendrix University diploma" I'll conclude with things you've probably heard before, a few of my favorite examples of Hendrix doing a sheer noise drone - - Are You Experienced live - Tax Free (the section after 4:30) - Cherokee Mist, an Electric Ladyland outtake with a sitar sound, filled with feedback - a brilliant B-side

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Poster: jerlouvis Date: Mar 6, 2013 9:30pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Hendrix & horns

As you were eluding to in your post while there are more technically and intellectually talented players such as McLaughlin and the like they leave me cold and I have no desire to listen to their music.One of the similarities I see in Jimi and Garcia is their ability to play and create very melodic music which is a rare talent among guitarists.I also find them both to be strong rhythm players along with their lead responsibilities.

I really enjoy that "drenched" aspect in Jimi's sound that you described as wobbly through the use of pedals and such,it does create a unique sound and feel.I also like the ferocity of his strumming technique,it's singular in style and adds to the overall effect of his playing.

Amongst the many things that maybe didn't allow Jimi to reach his full potential, one I mentioned was his supporting musicians and it wasn't so much how they actually played,but more how he would have been better served with musicians who challenged him mentally rather than guys who played the role he created for them.With his music I find almost everything but his playing and vocals to be unimaginative and mediocre.

I've listened to a fair amount of his live output and agree with you that Woodstock was especially good,he seemed particularly energized and on top of things.

I tend to forget Dave Holland's involvement with Miles and never really put together that he was playing electric bass on some of those tracks,he is one of the finest stand up players I have ever heard and I've seen him countless times play some inspired music.

I had heard that Are You Experienced and listening again enjoyed the variety of styles he runs through in the course of the song,he seems to change his attack every minute or so for the whole 12 minutes.It was impressive how different it was from start to finish.I hadn't heard that Tax Free and I'm not to familiar with the song,but I liked the feed back-ish ringing licks and morse code sounding jam at about 6 minutes in.I also don't think I've heard that version of Cherokee Mist,this one is very trippy with some squealing,siren like sounds that shifts to a therimin-ish section with the sitar that blends into a quiet spacey end jam.The Laughing Sam's Dice song starts out like weird Jimi surf music that segues into some smokin' guitar that continues throughout underneath the vocal,it is some powerful guitar playing with a really cool shuffle towards the end.

I enjoyed this course on Jimi and will continue my under graduate work on You Tube,thanks for sharing some knowledge and time.

My favorite Jimi tune.

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Poster: light into ashes Date: Mar 7, 2013 12:20am
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We're fortunate to have some Axis outtakes, including this earlier, longer instrumental take of Bold As Love -
(There's also an alternate mix available of the final take w/o lead guitar.)
And also an earlier instrumental Little Wing -

There's an interesting instrumental club jam on Little Wing you may have seen, with Butterfield's band - it's rare to hear Hendrix jamming one of his earlier songs with others. The best part is the final minute, when Hendrix returns after some dull solos from the others:

As a final appendix, this is an extremely different live Are You Experienced - done at Newport '69, one of the Experience's last shows. Hendrix was fed up that day & very upset with the crowd (at one point telling them, "you all just choke yourselves, fuck off" in this exchange: ), and you can hear his disgust in the performance. However - midway through the song, he changes tack & starts playing a quiet passage almost for himself:

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Poster: jerlouvis Date: Mar 7, 2013 10:56am
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Fortunate indeed,I listened to Bold As Love 4 times in a row.The playing between 2:15 and 5:45 is exhilarating,as good as I have ever heard him play.

Listening to Little Wing without the lead part accentuates just how beautiful a melody it is and shows off his rhythm chops.

That exchange with the asshole in the audience is disturbing and like you said it is in audible in his performance,the solo begins in an angry mood with a choked off kind of slashing feel that segues into hard,chugging strumming that flows into at about 4:15 what sounds like some of the Beatles We Can Work It Out which melds into some rapid fire clusters that calms itself into an almost introspective slow jam back into the theme.It is definitely an odd reading of the song.

I wonder if you might recommend some of his better Dylan covers,I've heard a few versions of Like a Rolling Stone and while good they always fell a little short of how good I thought he could do it.I don't know how many Dylan songs he actually covers outside of Watchtower and Drifters Escape,I read somewhere he did Tears of Rage and I believe a while back I saw he did I Dreamed I Saw St. Augustine also somewhere in the back of my head is the possibility he did Please Crawl Out My Window.

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Poster: light into ashes Date: Mar 7, 2013 12:33pm
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Glad you liked the Bold As Love.

I thought Hendrix's cover of Drifter's Escape was rather disappointing. Unfortunately, though he wanted to record St Augustine, he never did, feeling it was too personal.

This Rolling Stone is from an NYC club in '68, not with the Experience but various NY players, including Al Kooper on organ (who'd played on the original) - but no BB King as claimed:
No solo, but a very nice intro; it's one of Hendrix's better versions. (Youtube also has one from Winterland '68 which is done very slowly, with another organ player.)

Please Crawl Out Your Window, from the BBC:
(Live versions are pretty poor sound quality.)

Tears of Rage, a home demo with a harmonica player - he never did this one live or in the studio:

Hendrix didn't do All Along the Watchtower live very often.
Here at the Isle of Wight '70 -
Unfortunately this was one of his worst shows, he was out of it & had equipment troubles, so it's not a great version, but illustrates how he did it live.
And at Atlanta '70 -
Ironically, this was also a pretty bad show, and this Watchtower starts terribly, but improves, though still not great. You can see how he didn't improvise with this song, but did it just like the studio version.

As an antidote to those, here's the best live version of Little Wing, from the well-known London '69 show -

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Poster: jerlouvis Date: Mar 7, 2013 6:16pm
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That Rolling Stone did have a cool,different intro and was fairly tight for a jam type scenario,strong organ and bass and nicely built lead runs.I had one from the Scene in 69' with Buzzzy Linhart and some other folks that was pretty good as filler on a tape with the Things I Used To Do with Johnny Winter from 68' at the Scene and a few other things.

The Please Crawl was punchy with a nice vocal.

Listening to that Tears of Rage made me think of him doing Goin' to Alcapulco or Ain't No More Cane.I wonder what he thought of the band.His version of Tears was rough but interesting,it also featured him on acoustic which is seems to be a rarity.I really liked his acoustic version of Angel.

He surely wasn't at his best on those Watchtower's,it was humorous that the guy who uploaded the first one on YouTube included this line in his notes "one of the greatest performance live ever" proving himself wrong on a few fronts.In the second one after a clam or two Jimi steps to the mike and says "as I was saying" in hopes of regrouping,but drops in another hack,it just wasn't meant to be.It is disappointing that he does perform them just like the album version.

I've always enjoyed that version of Little Wing,and there is also one I think from the Olympia in Paris on the same tour that I like,but it always seemed to me that such a pretty song deserved a substantial solo after each verse,never mind that he just gave you the mini solo after verse two the way he actually performed it.

I'm going to listen to the Newport Pop Festival from 6/22/69,the first tune Earth vs. Space was pleasantly weird and featured an odd line up of musicians.

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Poster: light into ashes Date: Mar 7, 2013 9:12pm
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You're probably thinking of Paris 1/29/68, one of the best shows of that period - Hendrix does some extra soloing at the end of that Little Wing. (There's also a version from Winterland which is extended but rather slow & sloppy.) That song was kind of like Wind Cries Mary, it was always kept short & sweet.

I also like the home demo of Angel, and from the same session, 1983:
There was also a less developed demo of Gypsy Eyes very different from how it turned out:

He did not play on acoustic very often. There are some longer acoustic demos which don't seem to be well-represented on youtube. Of course there's the 12-string Hear My Train, and this Hound Dog which gives a glimpse of Hendrix offstage:
And in a similar style, this demo of Long Hot Summer Night:

The search also led me to this short but interesting take 1 of Electric Ladyland, Hendrix solo:

Hendrix came back to the Newport stage on 6/22/69 feeling that he had to make up for the disastrous 6/20 show; and more than made up for it with the enormous jam where he pretty much runs freestyle through one tune after another with various players (there's flute, sax, harmonica & another singer in there too), and he wails throughout, though Buddy Miles comes to dominate with his yapping. Very loose & unusual for a Hendrix show; there's nice footage of it, too.

As an unrelated tidbit, Hendrix played Dear Mr Fantasy live a couple times in '68, and here is one of them (in poor sound, alas) -
Nothing extraordinary, just his neat little tribute to Traffic. I'd much rather hear him do it than the Dead...

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Poster: jerlouvis Date: Mar 8, 2013 12:58pm
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It's funny because those are the two I would have enjoyed being stretched out some.

I would have liked to hear him play acoustic more because I really like the way he sings and think it suits his voice and since his electric style is so in your face the acoustic could have a shown a more delicate side of his playing.

1983 on the acoustic lent a relaxed feel to the song and you can hear him turning a page for the music or lyric in the middle.

I really liked Gypsy Eyes,it had a nice drive or progression that I'm not sure would sound similar on an electric,to bad it cut.

Hound Dog is an odd choice,but he does seem to be enjoying himself.That guy who pipes in about the girl being thirsty sounds like Larry King.

Long Hot Summer night has a Rolling Stone intro,a good vocal and a cool rhythm.

I love Electric Lady Land and would have liked to hear him play it some more in that vein,it had a very jazzy tone and damping style.

Fantasy is definitely a song that is in his wheelhouse and I liked his intro which was ballsy and deliberate,but I didn't like when he sped it up.Seems like he could have worked up a good version of this one.I wouldn't have minded hearing Jerry and the boys in 69' doing a Cosmic Charlie ->Dear Mr. Fantasy,they just got to it to late thats all.

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Poster: light into ashes Date: Mar 9, 2013 3:27am
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I suppose if you want to hear Little Wing stretched out you'll have to turn to Stevie Ray Vaughan...

With Electric Ladyland, a similar guitar line did end up in the album version, it's just buried under all the overdubs!

A few different Hendrix directions, which you've probably heard before - - New Rising Sun, an Electric Ladyland-type instrumental, very new-agey in style with Hendrix's wobbly sound in full effect. - Pali Gap, which is almost more like a Santana track. - South Saturn Delta, the Electric Ladyland outtake mentioned way up in this thread; Hendrix's lead playing is in a very different style than usual for him. - the so-called "MLK jam," an excerpt from a much longer studio jam; the Band of Gypsies basically keep time while Hendrix flies off Machine Gun-style; at the end he switches to the Cherokee Mist theme but breaks a string, which brings it to a halt. - Villanova Junction, from Maui '70, a very nice version; he quiets it down in the second half. Much of the second set of this show is very drifting & spacy like this.

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Poster: jerlouvis Date: Mar 9, 2013 11:16am
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From the last post I haven't gotten a chance to finish off that Newport Pop Festival,I will get back to it.

Yeah Stevie Ray had the right idea when it came to Little Wing.

That snippet of Electric Ladyland you linked had a pure jazz tone and attack,it might be the same notes,but it doesn't seem to be the same style or sound on the album even buried beneath the overdubs.

The New Rising Sun hints at Little Wing and has a really spacey feel,his guitar sounds like a keyboard at some points.The very end puts me in mind of Sun Ra.

The intro to Pali Gap sounds like a slowed down version of Badge.It's funny to hear him so blatantly play off himself with overdubbed lead lines,that are scorching by the way.At 3:30 he has a good blend of his guitar lines and at 3:45 he takes off on a nice run with a crisp tone and two distinct lead lines weaving together,once again at times his guitar is keyboard-ish.I think the drums supply the Santana feel although Carlos did liberally add pieces of Jimi's style to his playing.

South Saturn Delta I had heard,but never really listened.You have to give him credit for playing some truly psychedelic funk a couple of years before Funkadelic came along.It has a cool trippy soul music open his guitar is very rhythm player oriented,2:15 some spacey,throbbing horns lead into a good honking sax/guitar duet into a hot jam.What a great song,I can't fathom how this didn't make the album.

The MLK jam has some interesting playing and after the intro the music has a sort of dark,relaxed anger to it which switches to outer space music around the 3 minute mark into a scratchy,mellow churn with some high up on the strings by the bridge scratching which devolves into a slow thump kind of rock shuffle.This is a good example where a talented rhythm section might have propelled this jam to a different level,but throughout only provided some limp,straight ahead backing which left the onus on Jimi to make anything interesting happen.

This my favorite Villanova Junction,it has an elegant air and his playing is purposeful and focused,every note counts and there is no over playing.Also to be commended are Mitch and Billy who add the proper backing to this one and towards the end he throws in a flamenco style jam as you had mentioned some posts back.

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Poster: light into ashes Date: Mar 10, 2013 10:37am
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Thanks for the comments. This'll have to conclude the Hendrix University courses, I'm about done! Youtube is a great resource, but selective; many of my favorite Hendrix things are inexplicably not up. I'd hoped to find the 4/26/69 LA versions of Tax Free & Spanish Castle Magic, the best versions; but that's a well-known show.

Just a couple more things - this is a 1967 demo for Angel, with Hendrix dubbing all the instruments; it has a lighter feel, and the second half is pretty nice:
And this is the last thing Hendrix recorded in the studio in '70, a brief fragment:

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Poster: jerlouvis Date: Mar 10, 2013 3:14pm
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Well it was a fine course and I got to learn some stuff and hear some interesting music spread out over about 50 links,so my comments were more about letting you know that I listened to the things you took the time and effort to search out and link for me rather than trying to inform you and also maybe let you see that I did get something out of the time you invested.That instrumental Bold As Love and those tunes from the Tinker Street Cinema shows for example,will definitely stay with me and a bunch of other stuff from some other links opened my eyes to different things.So I will keep listening and see what I find,I listened to some of the Isle of Fehmarn show and enjoyed the Voodoo Child and Red House and thought what I heard of the Randalls Island show was disappointing,my friend has been touting that one for years,another clunky Watchtower and weak Message of Love.I downloaded the 4/26/69 L.A. Forum show on your recommendation.

I like the sharper,soaring tone on Angel,but it loses it's delicacy when sped up like that.

That last slow blues fragment is a nice groove and reminded me of this.

Well from now on I will consider you Professor Emeritus Ashes,thanks.

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Poster: light into ashes Date: Mar 10, 2013 5:28pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Hendrix & horns

Oh, that Randalls Island show, while not dreadful, is still subpar I think, with Hendrix in a bad mood & dealing with equipment problems & another unruly audience, telling them to fuck off a few times... The Fehrmarn show is better than might be expected considering the nasty crowd & the generally bad conditions of that tour.
Berkeley 5/30/70 is the best SBD show of the year.

Tax Free & SCM are the highlights of 4/26/69, though I like it all of course; Hendrix does get somewhat defeated by the rowdy crowd towards the end.
Early '69 is probably my favorite live period of his, despite the very limited setlists, since that's when he did the most improvising in the solos. 2/24/69 is also one of the best shows; Hendrix was very focused since the show was being filmed & plays 3 long blues songs, though he does indulge in some weak audience-pleasing at the end.

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Poster: jerlouvis Date: Mar 10, 2013 10:50pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Hendrix & horns

I listened to the 4/26/69 show and though I'm not to familiar with Tax Free that version certainly contains some fine playing with some edgy guitar and bass after the intro,but it really takes off at the 8 minute mark with some smokin' quick pickin' runs and pumping bass that trails off into a swirl of feedback that builds to a propulsive end jam of more feedback.
I have been listening to a number of Spanish Castle Magic's lately by the Warren Haynes Band and I know it's not remotely the same thing and hearing this one made it clear why,no one can duplicate that heavy,onslaught of sound that Jimi can generate and that is why I found all the Haynes versions lacking.The 4/26 version is just a beast,after the verse the music is slashing with a big,fat sound and hot runs with strong drums and bass leading into ringing feedback repeat runs that wind into some real hot chunky rhythm lines,at some points it sounds like two guitars and then the pace races with note filled churning leads changing to very jazzy chords to a hard strummed rhythmic pattern,at 7 minutes he reels off a number of styles like a weird flamenco into some Chuck Berry-ish rock into some twisted classical and the band thumps it way back in on the theme and they all stomp their way back into the last verse which segues into the Star Spangled banner where Jimi declares we had been brain washed.Certainly the best version I've heard.
I've got 2/24/69 downloading and I'm looking for a full copy of 5/30/70.I noticed here on the archive there is a 50 odd minute video from Stockholm 1/9/69 that I will give a listen,I've heard some of that over the years,but have no memory of it.

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Poster: light into ashes Date: Mar 11, 2013 3:42am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Hendrix & horns

That's funny, I had never heard the Warren Haynes Band do Spanish I checked it out. They're a professional band, I'll say that, smooth & repeatable in what they play - though it doesn't seem to be a tune where Warren particularly shines. Hendrix is very raw in comparison, and puts out much more energy. He was also quite different from show to show, depending on his mood, so you never knew just what he'd do.

The Stockholm video is good quality...though it captures perhaps the weakest show of the Jan '69 tour! Hendrix is notably listless & unhappy in that show. (The Spanish Castle is downright painful, as he loses interest midway through and just gives up on it. He also gives up midway through Voodoo Child and just walks offstage!)
There was a second show on 1/9/69 though (not filmed) where he was in better spirits & it was a distinct improvement - the highlight's probably Voodoo Child, which goes into an unusual section in the middle.
Too bad the film crew wasn't there for the second show, but at least we have a good SBD tape. (Though Noel is too high in the mix in both shows.)
The 5/30/70 Berkeley video is a night & day contrast with the Stockholm video!

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Poster: jerlouvis Date: Mar 11, 2013 11:16am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Hendrix & horns

Thanks,I'll steer clear of the Stockholm show and I'm going to watch the Berkeley video.I've watched it before,but just casually.

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Poster: light into ashes Date: Mar 11, 2013 12:42pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Hendrix & horns

Unfortunately the Berkeley footage was cut to shreds for the film, so only a few songs are near-complete and there are lots of jarring edits. (The complete footage apparently no longer survives.)
It's still my favorite Hendrix film, but Monterey and Woodstock are the only good near-complete Hendrix shows to be released. As you've seen there are lengthy clips of 7/30/70 Maui and the Band of Gypsies shows too, and bits of others (like TV appearances). I was dismayed that they released the Isle of Wight '70 horror show, and even more alarmed that they say they're going to re-release the barely better Atlanta Pop '70 show too.

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Poster: jerlouvis Date: Mar 11, 2013 7:37pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Hendrix & horns

I wasn't aware of everything being so chopped up as it has been a while since I watched any Jimi video.I find it really bothersome when music isn't complete in a film,I don't even like when it is interrupted.Thanks for the heads up again.It sounds like that is quite the management team in charge of what product gets released in his name.